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Sagn
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FINALLY, after a 14 hour straight session in FL I finished this track of mine, and I can finally go to bed.

So, "Sagn" means story/tale and it's both plural and singular at once. This fits well, because the music is supposed to be about the concept of journey and adventure.
It's by far my longest piece (for now), and it is in a way divided into three sections:

0:00 <I>The beginning.</I> The setting is established, and the audience is introduced to a complex and interesting new world.
1:42 <I>The conflict.</I> As the plot thickens, we are introduced to the challenges on the road ahead.
4:24 <I>The resolution.</I> A final struggle before our heroes reach the end of their quest.

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Oh my god, this is so freaking amazing and ambitious. I LOVE the fact that you use a dramatic structure in order to tell a real story through music.
It reminds me of a real classical symphony, which is extraordinary concidering the fact that it's possible to compose such a musical piece of art digitally.

Your samples are outstanding. All of them, including the vocals, string legatos, string staccatos (which are permanently used throughout the piece), brass and percussion.
They are well-mastered and mixed, everything is very clear, not trying to stick out or something.

I like the bells (?) at 0:40, they make everything mysterious, as intended.
At 1:00 the amazing, natural-sounding vocals begin to imply a conflict. They talk at intervals, which makes the listener believe that something is wrong.
This situation creates tension because there must be a reason why they suddenly stop everytime.

The transition at 1:42 very powerful and raw. The bells (?) don't stop.
Now we here a climax, I like that the vocals begin to sound continuosly. Very mighty brass endorses the conflict at 2:34.
At 2:53 there's some really good percussion combined with the staccato strings.
I love the part at 3:11, sounds decent. Noticeable is the fact that the melody reminds me of questions and answers. After that there's a powerful strings motif which is then repeated as a variation.

3:46, it's outstanding. The rythm XxxXXxxxxXxxXXxxx is great, I should definitely take my inspiration from that :mrgreen:
Also, nice strings at 4:05. Oh yes.

Now, the resolution. Powerful brass again. Some repitition of the motif. A final climax.
5:30 the vocals again, OF COURSE you use them in the finale. :mrgreen: Violins (I guess) intensifying the brass.
The melody becomes more and more melancholy.

Finally, the conflict is resolved. I like how the soft percussion echos everything at the end.

This is the longest music review I have ever written because I am overwhelmed by your piece. The 14 hours did pay off, definitly. But it took you longer than these straight 14 hours, right?
Are you just a hobby composer or a professional? In both cases, excellent job.
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Dang, you've been on a roll in the past few days.

Anyways, <MENTION>[mention]Army of Aurora[/mention]</MENTION> was really on point with the analysis, I couldn't agree more.

I like the slow build and the underlying pulse of the entire song, especially using minimal percussion. I also really love that little F major to f minor chord progression with the violin arpeggios near the end. It gave a sense of slight dissonance that worked super well with the "final struggle" theme into the peaceful resolution.

Also, what libraries did you use for the choir and the bells? As usual, your all samples and libraries sound good and were mixed very well.

My only (very very small) critique is that I felt the whole song was hinting and gradually building towards a gigantic and epic finale (where everything goes all out and full-blown), but never really felt it. Maybe that was intentional and I'm just spoiled listening to too much epic/trailer music. Again, it's only a minuscule detail in a very awesome piece as a whole.

Overall, your piece is phenomenal and sounds like it could be a film score/soundtrack to a movie: I'm guessing that's what you had in mind also Smile

Anyways, you've done a lot of great composing lately. Keep it up the great work, but please don't push yourself too much if you're tired (14 hours straight is amazing).

I'm always looking forward to hearing more from you!

Cheers,
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<QUOTE author="Army of Aurora" post_id="9978" time="1537576633" user_id="525">
Army of Aurora post_id=9978 time=1537576633 user_id=525 Wrote:I like the bells (?) at 0:40, they make everything mysterious, as intended.
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Not bells, but a <URL url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1oaZO31t4o">celesta</URL>. Bells/chimes are used as well, though, for example at 2:18, there is a hit (and all over the song, really).

<QUOTE author="Army of Aurora" post_id="9978" time="1537576633" user_id="525">
Army of Aurora post_id=9978 time=1537576633 user_id=525 Wrote:This is the longest music review I have ever written because I am overwhelmed by your piece. The 14 hours did pay off, definitly. But it took you longer than these straight 14 hours, right?
Are you just a hobby composer or a professional? In both cases, excellent job.
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It took way longer than 14 hours, yes. I have been on and off this piece for like a month now, posting WIPs and all. But I woke up yesterday and thought that "Today I have no plans, today is the day I finish this monster".
I am very much a hobbyist, but I have been for quite some time. Tongue

Anyways, Aurora, thank you so very much for such an extensive analysis (or well, time-marked compliments). I owe alot to my huge collection of sample libraries, of course, so just hit me up and I'll share my stash. :mrgreen:

<QUOTE author="Sky Asterist" post_id="9993" time="1537595494" user_id="1200">
Sky Asterist post_id=9993 time=1537595494 user_id=1200 Wrote:Dang, you've been on a roll in the past few days.
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Yeah, and I might slow down a little now, get some school work done etc. but this is a great milestone for me, so my composer itch can finally rest a little.

<QUOTE author="Sky Asterist" post_id="9993" time="1537595494" user_id="1200">
Sky Asterist post_id=9993 time=1537595494 user_id=1200 Wrote:Also, what libraries did you use for the choir and the bells? As usual, your all samples and libraries sound good and were mixed very well.
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Choirs are from Metropolis Ark 1, my most used library. The chime bells I don't even remember where I found, but I can send them to you if interested, same goes for the celesta, which I mentioned in my responses to Aurora.

<QUOTE author="Sky Asterist" post_id="9993" time="1537595494" user_id="1200">
Sky Asterist post_id=9993 time=1537595494 user_id=1200 Wrote:My only (very very small) critique is that I felt the whole song was hinting and gradually building towards a gigantic and epic finale (where everything goes all out and full-blown), but never really felt it. Maybe that was intentional and I'm just spoiled listening to too much epic/trailer music. Again, it's only a minuscule detail in a very awesome piece as a whole.
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I agree on this, a more classical "finale" would be great, but I feel like there are rather several climaxes in this song, divided around the song. If I was to do anything differently I would probably make a bit longer and more dramatic build-up before the third section, and a shorter but more explosive climax.

<QUOTE author="Sky Asterist" post_id="9993" time="1537595494" user_id="1200">
Sky Asterist post_id=9993 time=1537595494 user_id=1200 Wrote:Overall, your piece is phenomenal and sounds like it could be a film score/soundtrack to a movie: I'm guessing that's what you had in mind also Smile
Anyways, you've done a lot of great composing lately. Keep it up the great work, but please don't push yourself too much if you're tired (14 hours straight is amazing).
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Thanks alot, a dream of mine is to score film or TV, so that's a great compliment.
Well, 6 minutes is alot in a piece like this, so it was definitely a marathon of sorts, but you can't really run a marathon every day. I'll take a smaller break now, maybe out the month of september.

Anyways, guys, thank you again for very nice and detiled feedback, I appreciate it greatly, because, even if it's not too much criticism in there, it is confirmation that some of the choices made during composing paid off. :mrgreen:
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If nothing is wrong I can't give negative criticism :mrgreen: Glad you enjoyed my complimenting analysis Big Grin
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That would be awesome if you could share/send where you got those chimes and celestas. I've been looking for some for a while and I haven't had much success.
Again, great work on the piece!

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<QUOTE author="Sky Asterist" post_id="10032" time="1537643613" user_id="1200">
Sky Asterist post_id=10032 time=1537643613 user_id=1200 Wrote:That would be awesome if you could share/send where you got those chimes and celestas. I've been looking for some for a while and I haven't had much success.
Again, great work on the piece!

Cheers,
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Okay, so I checked, and the chimes are eastwest play instruments, and therefore it's a weird custom file format.
The celesta is from the Kontakt factory library, so if you already have Kontakt, it's free.
Sadly I cannot just zip them up and send, because they cannot be opened in any other sampler.
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WOW. Jonathan, that's impressive!! Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant... This could be a successful movie soundtrack, really! KEEP IT UP Big Grin
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This is awesome John! The instrumentation is great, clean, and it's well composed!

However, in achieving the story you outlined, the music should be able to convey it without your own words. Sadly, the theory behind the composition does not match it enough.

For starters, the entire thing is mostly in the same minor key. The only form of mode change happens around 5:00 where you interchange between minor and major, but this moment is very brief. The resolution also follows the same intensity and rhythmic structure as the phrases before it, which doesn't give it enough contrast to truly encompass a feeling of a "climax." In fact, the rhythm stays the same for the most part throughout, which makes it somewhat monotonous. This works fine if you were conveying one part of a story/scene as it would make it thematically consistent while still being in the background for a story. However, because the goal is to tell a story through the piece alone, this is not enough. There needs to be more music-theoretical contrasts between each arc of the story for it to truly feel like a riveting standalone piece.

However, as a piece of its own, this is very well made. Good job, John!
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