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Weekly DAW Thread [Week 30, 2018]
#1
This was originalyl a FL Studio thread, but I though it would be a better idea to dedicate it to all workstations instead, and then fork a new thread should the discussions be heavily focused on one specific aspect.

A few talking points:
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  • <LI>What DAW are you using? Why?</LI>
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  • <LI>Are you having any technical issues lately?</LI>
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  • <LI>What is your favorite instrument/plugin/library?</LI>
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<COLOR color="#BF0000">NOTE: This post was not written by me, something <I>weird </I> went down..</COLOR>

I use Cockos REAPER! I love it over other DAWs for these reasons:
1. Compared to other DAWs, significantly cheaper with an amazing trial system (sort of like WinRAR)
2. I found it easier to get into than FL studio, which had a workflow that was a little too all over the place for me.
3. Lightweight and portable, so I can put it on a USB stick and compose on the go.
4. Very clean and uncluttered UI

In terms of technical issues, nothing in particular. Sometimes, crashes happen because I load in too many plugins but that's to be expected ^^'

My favorite VST would definitely be PianoOne! I use it for all my piano needs. It has a dumb bug where you can't play successive notes, but I work around this by shortening the end of each note by like 5ms. Despite that, it's very simple for me and nice-sounding. Also it's free! (Like all VSTs I use because I am a poor mofo)
Another really great free VST I use all the time for drums is DrumCore 3 Free! There are definitely better drum VSTs out there but the quality of sound you can get from this is astonishing, especially considering that it doesn't cost anything.
For my bass needs, I use Ample Bass Lite II. It's a pretty rich and realistic-sounding bass that won't cost you a dime.
Lastly for my Guitar Amp, I use Acmebargig's Shred. It sets up both the preamp AND the cabinet/IR so you don't have to worry about setting those up separately. In terms of sound, it's good enough.
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#3
Somehow things got glitched and changed the poster above. It's meant to be my post lmao
Sorry for any confusion
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<QUOTE author="Avarise" post_id="1612" time="1532328265" user_id="646">
Avarise post_id=1612 time=1532328265 user_id=646 Wrote:Somehow things got glitched and changed the poster above. It's meant to be my post lmao
Sorry for any confusion
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LOL, I have no idea how on earth that happened..

[mention]SuperWerer[/mention] we really have to investigate this later. This is not supposed to happen..
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<QUOTE author="Avarise" post_id="1612" time="1532328265" user_id="646">
Avarise post_id=1612 time=1532328265 user_id=646 Wrote:Somehow things got glitched and changed the poster above. It's meant to be my post lmao
Sorry for any confusion
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Copy paste it then and I'll delete the old one Big Grin
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<QUOTE author="DonJorge" post_id="1614" time="1532328506" user_id="230">
DonJorge post_id=1614 time=1532328506 user_id=230 Wrote:<QUOTE author="Avarise" post_id="1612" time="1532328265" user_id="646">
Avarise post_id=1612 time=1532328265 user_id=646 Wrote:Somehow things got glitched and changed the poster above. It's meant to be my post lmao
Sorry for any confusion
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Copy paste it then and I'll delete the old one Big Grin
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Nah, we should leave it as evidence, so we can fix whatever bug caused it.
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<QUOTE author="Jonathaj" post_id="1611" time="1532328020" user_id="491">
Jonathaj post_id=1611 time=1532328020 user_id=491 Wrote:<COLOR color="#BF0000">NOTE: This post was not written by me, something <I>weird </I> went down..</COLOR>

I use Cockos REAPER! I love it over other DAWs for these reasons:
1. Compared to other DAWs, significantly cheaper with an amazing trial system (sort of like WinRAR)
2. I found it easier to get into than FL studio, which had a workflow that was a little too all over the place for me.
3. Lightweight and portable, so I can put it on a USB stick and compose on the go.
4. Very clean and uncluttered UI

In terms of technical issues, nothing in particular. Sometimes, crashes happen because I load in too many plugins but that's to be expected ^^'

My favorite VST would definitely be PianoOne! I use it for all my piano needs. It has a dumb bug where you can't play successive notes, but I work around this by shortening the end of each note by like 5ms. Despite that, it's very simple for me and nice-sounding. Also it's free! (Like all VSTs I use because I am a poor mofo)
Another really great free VST I use all the time for drums is DrumCore 3 Free! There are definitely better drum VSTs out there but the quality of sound you can get from this is astonishing, especially considering that it doesn't cost anything.
For my bass needs, I use Ample Bass Lite II. It's a pretty rich and realistic-sounding bass that won't cost you a dime.
Lastly for my Guitar Amp, I use Acmebargig's Shred. It sets up both the preamp AND the cabinet/IR so you don't have to worry about setting those up separately. In terms of sound, it's good enough.
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If we ignore the technical glitch that just happened, it's cool to see a new DAW in circulation here. I love FL, but I'll definitely check this one out too, as your third point struck me, having a DAW on-the-go.

I have alot of different libraries going on, but I'm always looking for more. Might check out some of the ones you're using.
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#8
I use FL Studio 11. I downloaded it a few years ago, and haven't updated because I pirated the software and updating pirated stuff like that is a real pain. I have briefly tried Ableton, which was the DAW of choice for a lot of my friends but I just didn't get used to it. Despite using FL Studio for years I still feel like there is a lot I don't utilize...

I primarily make different forms of rock music, and I do that THROUGH FL Studio with a program called Bias FX <SIZE size="50"><COLOR color="#FF0000">($199)</COLOR></SIZE> . Bias FX is an amp sim as well as an effects emulator that is surprisingly realistic. With a USB to 1/4" jack, I plug my guitar straight into my laptop and then select it as the source of input. Then I put BIAS FX on it and the sound possibilities are crazy endless! It's what I use for both my bass tones and guitar tones and it is the most effective method of recording for me because it's DIRECTLY into FL Studio.

My favourite synth plugin is called SQ8L <SIZE size="50"><COLOR color="#FF0000">(free)</COLOR></SIZE> which is modeled after the Ensoniq SQ-80 synthesizer which was released in 1987. It is a hybrid synthesizer -- analogue and subtractive.
Next up is TAL-U-NO-LX <SIZE size="50"><COLOR color="#FF0000">($60)</COLOR></SIZE> which is a rewritten emulation of the Roland Juno 60, which is also an analogue subtractive synth. Offhand I'm not sure what groups used this synthesizer, but it was really popular and I think Tears for Fears did.

For drums I primarily use FPC, which for those of you who don't know is a built in drum machine on FL Studio. I don't do a whole lot of straight programming myself, the most I'll do is take an existing pattern and just alter it slightly. I did buy a VST called KVLT DRUMS <SIZE size="50"><COLOR color="#FF0000">($45)</COLOR></SIZE> which is a black metal drum emulator, real acoustic drum samples and it sounds really heavy and desolate and other qualities indicative of the style. It also comes with classic black metal patterns.
Thank you [mention]Avarise[/mention] for the indirect drum suggestion.

Sometimes I use synth bass, but for most of my music I will record both live bass and guitar. I don't really use any sort of sample libraries. I have a pretty extensive collection of analogue drum samples, one of my favourites being the Roland TR-606.

I also really like the built-in VST "Morphine", an additive synthesizer. In most of my project files, it's like almost all just a bunch of audio clips cause I record that way.
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Do you have many options to edit after a recording? If you miss the timing on a single note, do you have to record over again?

Is the recorded audio clean and tidy right out of the box, or do you need to do some filtering to remove noise?
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<QUOTE author="Jonathaj" post_id="1674" time="1532412876" user_id="491">
Jonathaj post_id=1674 time=1532412876 user_id=491 Wrote:Do you have many options to edit after a recording? If you miss the timing on a single note, do you have to record over again?

Is the recorded audio clean and tidy right out of the box, or do you need to do some filtering to remove noise?
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Interesting questions.

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In the guitar slot you should see two different clips. The next clip is an overdub, I try and make the transition as smooth as possible. I often try to play as much of the song as I can in a single take, but I get so frustrated when I mess up. Other times I will just try and record a verse as perfectly as I can, and then record the chorus after that. However, if there is a long stretch of instrumentation and I just mess up on a part I can zoom in and delete exactly where that is, and then I'll start from a few seconds back to get adequate timing in order to overdub and fix it. A con to this method is that it creates a lot of mixing work towards the end, I have to single out all the guitar clips, all the bass clips, etc
-- organize them, and then set them to their own channel for EQing. I know there are more options than I use for post-record editing. Given the quality of my BIAS FX plugin, the recorded audio is exactly what I want. Even with my microphone for vocals I don't need a noise gate or anything to clean it up. There might be some very low noise, but it's typically inaudible and it's DEFINITELY inaudible if the song has loud guitar.

It's a frustrating method and I'm sure there are better ways to do it but Idk anybody else who records similarly.
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I'm going to do my best to make this post coherent and concise but no promises ha

I've been using FL studio (10-12; 12atm) on and off for about 4 years. I experimented with garage band and a little bit of logic in high school but FL kind of naturally fell in as my go to.

Not many technical issues to speak of.

For drums, I generally use free one-shots I find and put them in the step sequencer. Been getting more into some of the drums machines built into the DAW (fpc, etc.) as of late.

For instrunments, I like to use harmor, harmless, and GMS but I'll try most of the VSTs to find a sound that perfectly fits a track/my purposes.

If I'm playing live strings, I use the hardcore effect on a mixer channel aissigned to one of the inputs on my presonus audiobox USB or record acoustically with a blue yeti.

Effects - once again typically not straying to far from what's available in FL studio (fruity reverb 2, fruity EQ 2, fruity delay, etc.)

I hope I covered most of the bases Smile
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<QUOTE author="Crizdav" post_id="1935" time="1532698716" user_id="677">
Crizdav post_id=1935 time=1532698716 user_id=677 Wrote:I'm going to do my best to make this post coherent and concise but no promises ha

I've been using FL studio (10-12; 12atm) on and off for about 4 years. I experimented with garage band and a little bit of logic in high school but FL kind of naturally fell in as my go to.

Not many technical issues to speak of.

For drums, I generally use free one-shots I find and put them in the step sequencer. Been getting more into some of the drums machines built into the DAW (fpc, etc.) as of late.

For instrunments, I like to use harmor, harmless, and GMS but I'll try most of the VSTs to find a sound that perfectly fits a track/my purposes.

If I'm playing live strings, I use the hardcore effect on a mixer channel aissigned to one of the inputs on my presonus audiobox USB or record acoustically with a blue yeti.

Effects - once again typically not straying to far from what's available in FL studio (fruity reverb 2, fruity EQ 2, fruity delay, etc.)

I hope I covered most of the bases Smile
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I use FPC a lot as well, it's not great but it works well enough! It's also got a lot of variation. Drumaxx is okay too but I don't like it as much. I knew I heard Harmor and Harmless in your track! Is your audiobox usb an interface? Or is it like, 1/4" Jack to USB? Hardcore is usually really abrasive and kind weird with its tones. I've gotten some good ones from it but I would recommend other programs of that sort. I use BIAS FX, but it's really expensive.
Ah, classic Fruity EQ2.
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Gravaged post_id=1983 time=1532752123 user_id=583 Wrote:I use FPC a lot as well, it's not great but it works well enough! It's also got a lot of variation. Drumaxx is okay too but I don't like it as much. I knew I heard Harmor and Harmless in your track! Is your audiobox usb an interface? Or is it like, 1/4" Jack to USB? Hardcore is usually really abrasive and kind weird with its tones. I've gotten some good ones from it but I would recommend other programs of that sort. I use BIAS FX, but it's really expensive.
Ah, classic Fruity EQ2.
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Yeah, it's an interface, and I agree with your assessment on hardcore. It's been a while.since I wrote any rock music. Got my hands on a line6 practice amp recently so next time I get the urge im gonna run that into the interface and use those effects instead.
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I'm currently using FL Studio 20, wanting to move to Ableton Live 10 as soon as possible. I enjoyed and preferred FL at the start of my music production but after a while other DAWS with different features start to stand out, as in all fairness FL is the most basic and user friendly DAW.

Haven't had many issues recently.

My favourite VSTs would probably be Serum, 3x Osc, Sytrus and Pancake 2, they're all really good when used correctly and just offer so much to the table, especially with 3x osc and sytrus as you don't expect it to do as much as it does.
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Hello,I am using Fl Studio 12.3 ,this version because it has all my necesities.Honestly,on my low end pc it works just great and I do not have crashes 99% of the time.My favourite instruments/plugins/effects are :

Orchestral : East West Quantum Leap Symphonic Orchestra Gold Edition
VST Synthesizers : IL Harmor,IL Sytrus,XFER Serum and Lennard Digital's Sylenth1
Effects : Fruity Delay Bank,Fruity Reeverb 2/Convolver,Fruity Love Philter,iZotope Vinyl (free plugin for lo-fi and tape simulation),Polyverse Wider (also free) and IL Transient Processor
EQ/Mastering : Fruity Parametric EQ2 ,IL Wave Candy for analysis,IL Maximus and Fruity Limiter.
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<QUOTE author="BurneMusic" post_id="2030" time="1532797347" user_id="304">
BurneMusic post_id=2030 time=1532797347 user_id=304 Wrote:I'm currently using FL Studio 20, wanting to move to Ableton Live 10 as soon as possible. I enjoyed and preferred FL at the start of my music production but after a while other DAWS with different features start to stand out, as in all fairness FL is the most basic and user friendly DAW.

Haven't had many issues recently.

My favourite VSTs would probably be Serum, 3x Osc, Sytrus and Pancake 2, they're all really good when used correctly and just offer so much to the table, especially with 3x osc and sytrus as you don't expect it to do as much as it does.
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What other DAWs have you tried? If I knew more specifics about sound synthesis I could probably make like a lot of 3x OSC. I've not heard of Pancake 2, but I'll look it up.

<QUOTE author="CristiR_47" post_id="2035" time="1532802539" user_id="550">
CristiR_47 post_id=2035 time=1532802539 user_id=550 Wrote:Hello,I am using Fl Studio 12.3 ,this version because it has all my necesities.Honestly,on my low end pc it works just great and I do not have crashes 99% of the time.My favourite instruments/plugins/effects are :

Orchestral : East West Quantum Leap Symphonic Orchestra Gold Edition
VST Synthesizers : IL Harmor,IL Sytrus,XFER Serum and Lennard Digital's Sylenth1
Effects : Fruity Delay Bank,Fruity Reeverb 2/Convolver,Fruity Love Philter,iZotope Vinyl (free plugin for lo-fi and tape simulation),Polyverse Wider (also free) and IL Transient Processor
EQ/Mastering : Fruity Parametric EQ2 ,IL Wave Candy for analysis,IL Maximus and Fruity Limiter.
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Hey, thanks for taking the time to organize your favourites like that. I'm intrigued by the orchestral one the most, and iZotope Vinyl will be great. I will look these up, thanks!
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Gravaged post_id=2079 time=1532860281 user_id=583 Wrote:<QUOTE author="BurneMusic" post_id="2030" time="1532797347" user_id="304">
BurneMusic post_id=2030 time=1532797347 user_id=304 Wrote:I'm currently using FL Studio 20, wanting to move to Ableton Live 10 as soon as possible. I enjoyed and preferred FL at the start of my music production but after a while other DAWS with different features start to stand out, as in all fairness FL is the most basic and user friendly DAW.

Haven't had many issues recently.

My favourite VSTs would probably be Serum, 3x Osc, Sytrus and Pancake 2, they're all really good when used correctly and just offer so much to the table, especially with 3x osc and sytrus as you don't expect it to do as much as it does.
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What other DAWs have you tried? If I knew more specifics about sound synthesis I could probably make like a lot of 3x OSC. I've not heard of Pancake 2, but I'll look it up.
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I've tried Reaper and Logic, and Pancake 2 is an autopan plugin, it works wonders!
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